If no American Revolution, and no mass democratization/universal white male suffrage so early, means no Andrew Jackson, and that’s a good thing. It might mean no final expulsion of Indians from east of the Mississippi. But it does not change the tendency for a technologically advanced, population-exploding frontier settler society to commit lots of atrocities in its thirst for land, and to rationalize said atrocities with an ideology that then encourages further atrocities. In the long term the Proclamation would have exerted approximately as much effective force to check the bloody westward expansion as did the supreme court rulings in the Marshall Cherokee cases, i.e. none. http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/just-a-little-reminder-of-why-we-have-a-constitution/blog-145793/?link=ibaf&imgurl=http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/minutemen-revolutionary-war.jpg&q=American%2Brevolution
Most Native Americans rejected pleas that they remain neutral and supported the King. The tribes that depended most heavily upon colonial trade tended to side with the revolutionaries, though political factors were important as well. The most prominent Native American leader siding with the King was Joseph Brant of the Mohawk nation, who led frontier raids on isolated settlements in Pennsylvania and New York until an American army under John Sullivan secured New York in 1779, forcing the Loyalist Indians permanently into Canada.[55[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-54|]]]
The great majority of the 200,000 Native Americans east of the Mississippi distrusted the colonists and supported the British cause.[56[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-55|]]] Even though there was no major Native American participation during the war, the British provided funding and weapons to attack American outposts. Some Indians tried to remain neutral, seeing little value in participating yet again in a European conflict. A few supported the American cause.[57[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-56|]]]
The British provided arms for the Indians, under Loyalist leadership, to raid frontier settlements from the Carolinas to New York, threatening to massacre the settlers, especially in Pennsylvania. The most prominent was Mohawk chief Joseph Brant, who led a band of 300 Indian warriors and 100 white loyalists in 1778 and 1780 multiple attacks on small settlements in New York and Pennsylvania.[58[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-57|]]] In 1776 Cherokee war parties attacked all along the southern frontier.[59[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-58|]]]
While the Cherokee could launch raids numbering a couple hundred warriors, as seen in the Chickamauga Wars, they could not mobilize enough forces to fight a major invasion without allies. In 1779 Washington sent General John Sullivan with four brigades of Continental soldiers to drive the Iroquois out of upstate western New York. There was little combat but Sullivan systematically burned 40 (empty) Indian villages and, most important, destroyed about 160,000 bushels of corn that comprised the winter food supply. Facing starvation the Iroquois permanently fled to the Niagara Falls area and to Canada, where the British fed them.[60[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-59|]]]
At the peace conference the British abandoned their Indian allies, and the Americans took possession of all the land east of the Mississippi and north of Florida. Calloway concludes:
Burned villages and crops, murdered chiefs, divided councils and civil wars, migrations, towns and forts choked with refugees, economic disruption, breaking of ancient traditions, losses in battle and to disease and hunger, betrayal to their enemies, all made the American Revolution one of the darkest periods in American Indian history.[61[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-60|]]]
The British, however, did not give up their forts in the west until 1796 and kept alive the dream of one day forming a satellite Indian nation in what is now the Ohio to Wisconsin part of the Midwest. That goal was one of the causes of the War of 1812.[62[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-61|]]][63[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-62|]]]
Slaves
Some African-American slaves became politically active and supported the King, especially in Virginia where the royal governor actively recruited black men into the British forces in return for manumission, protection for their families, and the promise of land grants. Following the war, many of these "Black Loyalists" settled in Nova Scotia, Upper and Lower Canada, and many then moved to Sierra Leone, where the descendants of some remain today.[64[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-63|]]]
Some slaves understood Revolutionary rhetoric as promising freedom and equality. Both British and American governments made promises of freedom for service and some slaves fought in one or the other armies. Starting in 1777 abolition occurred in the North, usually on a gradual schedule with no payments to the owners, but slavery persisted in the South and took on new life after 1790.[65[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-64|]]]
During the Revolution, efforts were made by the British to turn slavery against the Americans,[66[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-Revolutionary_War:_The_Home_Front-65|]]] but historian David Brion Davis explains the difficulties with a policy of wholesale arming of the slaves:
But England greatly feared the effects of any such move on its own West Indies, where Americans had already aroused alarm over a possible threat to incite slave insurrections. The British elites also understood that an all-out attack on one form of property could easily lead to an assault on all boundaries of privilege and social order, as envisioned by radical religious sects in Britain’s seventeenth-century civil wars.[67[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-66|]]]
American Revloution poem
the bad things of revolution
Over the hills and halls of Mount Vernon
I heard voices that cried,
"No taxation without representation!"
And the Tories who lied.
In the monuments and museums and houses
I saw people who dreamed
In the battlefields of blood and of anger
I saw the British get creamed
I saw brave men who died
And children who cried
I heard calls for freedom to vote
I heard lofty appeals
And men with ideals
I read words that the wisest men wrote
Yet it baffles me now
To understand how
These men died for America and why
It's a nation of thugs
And homewrecking drugs
And poor homeless children who cry
Our forefathers tried
But instead they died
If you look closely, I think you'll find:
A nation of crime
And a nation of death
Was not quite what they had in mind.
This poem mentions the bad things of America. Why did you not feel the need to include those. This poem, to me, says that you are not happy with America and that you are a pessimist. If you are this set against America, you should try to fix it full-roundedly or get out of this 'nation of crime and thugs'!!
It's not about everything that is bad with America, not from my perspecitve. I saw it as being about the deterioration of our society from what our Founding Fathers intended. I thought it was amazing and I completely agree with the poet. Epic win.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
goods of the American Revolution
KEY POINTS—ROAD TO INDEPENDENCE
• In the mid-1700s, Britain bested France in a struggle to control the American colonies.
• In an attempt to raise revenue, Britain imposed a series of taxes on the colonies. These taxes severely strained American-British relations.
• In Boston, open conflict erupted between British soldiers and American colonists in what came to be called the Boston Massacre.
• The First Continental Congress convened in Philadelphia to give focus and direction to the rebellious colonies’ efforts.
• In 1776, the Continental Congress made a bid for independence with the Declaration of Independence.
• The Continental Congress appointed George Washington as commander-in-chief of the Continental Army.
—ROAD TO INDEPENDENCE
The Declaration of Independence made it clear that Americans were determined to rule themselves. This document was the final step in an evolutionary process during which many colonists gradually stopped seeing themselves as British subjects and began to embrace the concept of self-rule.
When Britain first attempted to extract revenue from the colonies through a series of taxes, the colonists were rightly upset. After all, the Crown’s actions broke a fundamental rule of the British Constitution. The rule was that only assemblies elected by the colonies themselves had the right to decide how much money should be raised by taxation and how it should be spent.
As tensions increased, the seeds of a nationalistic spirit began to sprout. Even so, the colonies made every effort to smooth relations with the Crown. Said John Adams, “We are part of the British Dominions, that is of the King of Great Britain. And it is our interest and duty to continue subject to the authority of Parliament in the regulation of our trade, as long as she shall leave us to govern our internal policyÉ.”
But while some Americans favored a conciliatory stance toward Britain, others fanned the flames of rebellion. Thomas Paine wrote a pamphlet entitled Common Sense that boldly declared “‘TIS TIME TO PART,” a sentiment that spread throughout the colonies.
America’s spokesmen, members of the Continental Congress, clung to the tattered shreds of diplomacy and made two last pleas to King George III for peace. Finally, Congress, too, got swept up into the colonies’ feverish bid for independence.
Thomas Jefferson spent two weeks writing a document that declared King George “unfit to be the ruler of a free people.” This Declaration of Independence formally dissolved all ties between the colonies and Britain. America’s identity as a free nation had been established.
DEBATE OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
WAS THE AMENRICAN REVOLUTION BAD FOR A AMERICAN?
Do you think America would be a better place if we'd lost the American Revolution?
No. The mere size and population of the American colony means that eventually it would have broken away from Great Britain. Whether it would have occurred peacefully or violently is unknown. The creation of the United States is the single most important event in the history of liberalism. It inspired the French Revolution and gave credence to self-governance. Great Britain was certainly on the road to democracy, but it was slow and pragmatic, like everything British. Without a victory in the Revolution, the idea that people can be free to make their own choices in matters of government probably would have been squashed. Socialism, communism, fascism, and other collectivist ideologies would have persevered and shaped the world that we know today. The American Revolution was the first time that freedom was given a chance...so there is no way that losing the war would have been good.
Do you think race relations in America would be different had we lost the American Revolution?
Great Britain did abolish slavery earlier than it occurred in the Americas, but lets not delude ourselves into thinking that race relations would have been any better. Just because they abolished slavery in most of their territory doesnt mean that it would have occurred in the American South, especially with their dependence on the cotton trade. If anything, slavery would have prolonged past the 1860s until cotton was no longer profitable at the end of the 19th century.
Is the Constitution inherently corrupt due to "rich white men"?
No. The Constitution is a compact that is supposed to limit the power of government. Anyone learned in history would know that the aristocracy had never done such a thing before. The aristocracy usually sided with government in order to maintain and consolidate their power. For the aristocracy to relinquish that idea in favor of something where power is distributed among a populace is profound.
1. who has violated the law, liberty and rights of citizens the most the imperial government or the Patriots?
2. should the colonies seperate from the british empire
3. should there be war or conciliation?
1. the patriots have by talking about the sons of liberty, they were labelled terrorists by the english and they intimidated and attacked those who used British merchendise and ect during boycotts. As an artisan, you could talk about how selling things to English men, buying things (raw materials, tools, ect) and paying taxes are necesary to running your business.
2.no on the grounds that you would be cut off from a lot of trade, be at war with the most powerful nation on earth, and that there will be overall better protection for the colonies. You would want to focus on trade because you are an artisan. Even though the British will tax you, you still have a large market to sell your goods in.
3.concilation because you want to live and continue to have good business.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/just-a-little-reminder-of-why-we-have-a-constitution/blog-145793/?link=ibaf&imgurl=http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/minutemen-revolutionary-war.jpg&q=American%2Brevolution
www.maldenhistory.wikispaces.com/national+history+day
http://www.theamericanrevolution.org/battles.aspx
battle
Most Native Americans rejected pleas that they remain neutral and supported the King. The tribes that depended most heavily upon colonial trade tended to side with the revolutionaries, though political factors were important as well. The most prominent Native American leader siding with the King was Joseph Brant of the Mohawk nation, who led frontier raids on isolated settlements in Pennsylvania and New York until an American army under John Sullivan secured New York in 1779, forcing the Loyalist Indians permanently into Canada.[55[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-54|]]]The great majority of the 200,000 Native Americans east of the Mississippi distrusted the colonists and supported the British cause.[56[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-55|]]] Even though there was no major Native American participation during the war, the British provided funding and weapons to attack American outposts. Some Indians tried to remain neutral, seeing little value in participating yet again in a European conflict. A few supported the American cause.[57[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-56|]]]
The British provided arms for the Indians, under Loyalist leadership, to raid frontier settlements from the Carolinas to New York, threatening to massacre the settlers, especially in Pennsylvania. The most prominent was Mohawk chief Joseph Brant, who led a band of 300 Indian warriors and 100 white loyalists in 1778 and 1780 multiple attacks on small settlements in New York and Pennsylvania.[58[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-57|]]] In 1776 Cherokee war parties attacked all along the southern frontier.[59[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-58|]]]
While the Cherokee could launch raids numbering a couple hundred warriors, as seen in the Chickamauga Wars, they could not mobilize enough forces to fight a major invasion without allies. In 1779 Washington sent General John Sullivan with four brigades of Continental soldiers to drive the Iroquois out of upstate western New York. There was little combat but Sullivan systematically burned 40 (empty) Indian villages and, most important, destroyed about 160,000 bushels of corn that comprised the winter food supply. Facing starvation the Iroquois permanently fled to the Niagara Falls area and to Canada, where the British fed them.[60[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-59|]]]
At the peace conference the British abandoned their Indian allies, and the Americans took possession of all the land east of the Mississippi and north of Florida. Calloway concludes:
Burned villages and crops, murdered chiefs, divided councils and civil wars, migrations, towns and forts choked with refugees, economic disruption, breaking of ancient traditions, losses in battle and to disease and hunger, betrayal to their enemies, all made the American Revolution one of the darkest periods in American Indian history.[61[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-60|]]]
The British, however, did not give up their forts in the west until 1796 and kept alive the dream of one day forming a satellite Indian nation in what is now the Ohio to Wisconsin part of the Midwest. That goal was one of the causes of the War of 1812.[62[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-61|]]][63[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-62|]]]
Slaves
Some African-American slaves became politically active and supported the King, especially in Virginia where the royal governor actively recruited black men into the British forces in return for manumission, protection for their families, and the promise of land grants. Following the war, many of these "Black Loyalists" settled in Nova Scotia, Upper and Lower Canada, and many then moved to Sierra Leone, where the descendants of some remain today.[64[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-63|]]]Some slaves understood Revolutionary rhetoric as promising freedom and equality. Both British and American governments made promises of freedom for service and some slaves fought in one or the other armies. Starting in 1777 abolition occurred in the North, usually on a gradual schedule with no payments to the owners, but slavery persisted in the South and took on new life after 1790.[65[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-64|]]]
During the Revolution, efforts were made by the British to turn slavery against the Americans,[66[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-Revolutionary_War:_The_Home_Front-65|]]] but historian David Brion Davis explains the difficulties with a policy of wholesale arming of the slaves:
- But England greatly feared the effects of any such move on its own West Indies, where Americans had already aroused alarm over a possible threat to incite slave insurrections. The British elites also understood that an all-out attack on one form of property could easily lead to an assault on all boundaries of privilege and social order, as envisioned by radical religious sects in Britain’s seventeenth-century civil wars.[67[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-66|]]]
Davis underscored the British dilemma: "Britain, when confronted by the rebellious American colonists, hoped to exploit their fear of slave revolts while also reassuring the large number of slave-holding Loyalists and wealthy Caribbean planters and merchants that their slave property would be secure".[68[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-67|]]] The colonists accused the British of encouraging slave revolts.[69[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-68|]]]American advocates of independence were commonly lampooned in Britain for their hypocritical calls for freedom, while many of their leaders were slave-holders. Samuel Johnson snapped, "how is it we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the [slave] drivers of the Negroes?"[70[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-69|]]] Benjamin Franklin countered by criticizing the British self-congratulation about "the freeing of one Negro" (Somersett) while they continued to permit the Slave Trade.[71[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution#cite_note-70|]]]
Phyllis Wheatley, a black poet who popularized the image of Columbia to represent America, came to public attention when her Poems on Various Subjects, Religious and Moral appeared in 1773
http://www.nps.gov/revwar/about_the_revolution/american_indians.html
http://www.nps.gov/revwar/about_the_revolution/consequences_war.htmlstory of the revolution
'
American Revloution poem
the bad things of revolution
Over the hills and halls of Mount Vernon
I heard voices that cried,
"No taxation without representation!"
And the Tories who lied.
In the monuments and museums and houses
I saw people who dreamed
In the battlefields of blood and of anger
I saw the British get creamed
I saw brave men who died
And children who cried
I heard calls for freedom to vote
I heard lofty appeals
And men with ideals
I read words that the wisest men wrote
Yet it baffles me now
To understand how
These men died for America and why
It's a nation of thugs
And homewrecking drugs
And poor homeless children who cry
Our forefathers tried
But instead they died
If you look closely, I think you'll find:
A nation of crime
And a nation of death
Was not quite what they had in mind.
This poem mentions the bad things of America. Why did you not feel the need to include those. This poem, to me, says that you are not happy with America and that you are a pessimist. If you are this set against America, you should try to fix it full-roundedly or get out of this 'nation of crime and thugs'!!
It's not about everything that is bad with America, not from my perspecitve. I saw it as being about the deterioration of our society from what our Founding Fathers intended. I thought it was amazing and I completely agree with the poet. Epic win.
BACKGROUND INFORMATION OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
goods of the American RevolutionKEY POINTS—ROAD TO INDEPENDENCE
• In the mid-1700s, Britain bested France in a struggle to control the American colonies.
• In an attempt to raise revenue, Britain imposed a series of taxes on the colonies. These taxes severely strained American-British relations.
• In Boston, open conflict erupted between British soldiers and American colonists in what came to be called the Boston Massacre.
• The First Continental Congress convened in Philadelphia to give focus and direction to the rebellious colonies’ efforts.
• In 1776, the Continental Congress made a bid for independence with the Declaration of Independence.
• The Continental Congress appointed George Washington as commander-in-chief of the Continental Army.
—ROAD TO INDEPENDENCE
The Declaration of Independence made it clear that Americans were determined to rule themselves. This document was the final step in an evolutionary process during which many colonists gradually stopped seeing themselves as British subjects and began to embrace the concept of self-rule.
When Britain first attempted to extract revenue from the colonies through a series of taxes, the colonists were rightly upset. After all, the Crown’s actions broke a fundamental rule of the British Constitution. The rule was that only assemblies elected by the colonies themselves had the right to decide how much money should be raised by taxation and how it should be spent.
As tensions increased, the seeds of a nationalistic spirit began to sprout. Even so, the colonies made every effort to smooth relations with the Crown. Said John Adams, “We are part of the British Dominions, that is of the King of Great Britain. And it is our interest and duty to continue subject to the authority of Parliament in the regulation of our trade, as long as she shall leave us to govern our internal policyÉ.”
But while some Americans favored a conciliatory stance toward Britain, others fanned the flames of rebellion. Thomas Paine wrote a pamphlet entitled Common Sense that boldly declared “‘TIS TIME TO PART,” a sentiment that spread throughout the colonies.
America’s spokesmen, members of the Continental Congress, clung to the tattered shreds of diplomacy and made two last pleas to King George III for peace. Finally, Congress, too, got swept up into the colonies’ feverish bid for independence.
Thomas Jefferson spent two weeks writing a document that declared King George “unfit to be the ruler of a free people.” This Declaration of Independence formally dissolved all ties between the colonies and Britain. America’s identity as a free nation had been established.
DEBATE OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
WAS THE AMENRICAN REVOLUTION BAD FOR A AMERICAN?
Do you think America would be a better place if we'd lost the American Revolution?
No. The mere size and population of the American colony means that eventually it would have broken away from Great Britain. Whether it would have occurred peacefully or violently is unknown. The creation of the United States is the single most important event in the history of liberalism. It inspired the French Revolution and gave credence to self-governance. Great Britain was certainly on the road to democracy, but it was slow and pragmatic, like everything British. Without a victory in the Revolution, the idea that people can be free to make their own choices in matters of government probably would have been squashed. Socialism, communism, fascism, and other collectivist ideologies would have persevered and shaped the world that we know today. The American Revolution was the first time that freedom was given a chance...so there is no way that losing the war would have been good.
Do you think race relations in America would be different had we lost the American Revolution?
Great Britain did abolish slavery earlier than it occurred in the Americas, but lets not delude ourselves into thinking that race relations would have been any better. Just because they abolished slavery in most of their territory doesnt mean that it would have occurred in the American South, especially with their dependence on the cotton trade. If anything, slavery would have prolonged past the 1860s until cotton was no longer profitable at the end of the 19th century.
Is the Constitution inherently corrupt due to "rich white men"?
No. The Constitution is a compact that is supposed to limit the power of government. Anyone learned in history would know that the aristocracy had never done such a thing before. The aristocracy usually sided with government in order to maintain and consolidate their power. For the aristocracy to relinquish that idea in favor of something where power is distributed among a populace is profound.
1. who has violated the law, liberty and rights of citizens the most the imperial government or the Patriots?
2. should the colonies seperate from the british empire
3. should there be war or conciliation?
1. the patriots have by talking about the sons of liberty, they were labelled terrorists by the english and they intimidated and attacked those who used British merchendise and ect during boycotts. As an artisan, you could talk about how selling things to English men, buying things (raw materials, tools, ect) and paying taxes are necesary to running your business.
2.no on the grounds that you would be cut off from a lot of trade, be at war with the most powerful nation on earth, and that there will be overall better protection for the colonies. You would want to focus on trade because you are an artisan. Even though the British will tax you, you still have a large market to sell your goods in.
3.concilation because you want to live and continue to have good business.